The ideal system of healthcare would be free market capitalism approach

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6 W$ Invested 1y 10m ago
Fred,

Insurance is traditionally for things you don’t expect to happen. This is the role of insurance and that is why my original statement on “healthcare” being something that is non existent is so vital. I believe you are very aware of this, and pointing out that prior to the ACA uncovered medical cost and healthcare cost were killing the economy is affirming what I stated. The reason medical cost and healthcare is destroying the GDP is essentially the price fixing (medicaid and medicare) by government programs to treat insurance as a set of homogeneous goods and services that American can lay claim to. This is inherently wrong, and explains why government should not play any role in insurance or health of any Americans. I agree we do need governance, but not from government. Governance needs to come from free market interactions, where it is governed by the people whom are consuming the goods and services. People are over insured and have been for decades years prior to ACA. The employee-based insurance during WWII seems to begin when government price and wage controls made it illegal for employers to raise wages to attract additional labor. However, employers could offer benefits such as paid health care per-tax, and then going forward this became a demand of labor unions and now we are stuck in this system because it has prevailed. If we go back further in 1965 people were not dying in the street. Medicare and Medicaid were the main culprits of doubling and tripling the cost of medical services. Let's keep this focused. What do you want me to respond to ? What do you want me to be more clear about?

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11 W$ Invested 1y 10m ago
The “healthcare” policy should not be mandated as a right by government, and “healthcare” policy should be decentralized. What is healthcare ? Nobody consumes it, nor is it a right of a mankind, because it is not homogeneous. There has never existed a unit of healthcare. I believe healthcare is a clear set of commodities, goods, and services. These commodities, goods, and services should be decided upon by the individual who seeks them. For instance, laser eye surgery is a service you could purchase on the market that will improve your overall health, and so are pain relievers. Strictly speaking, there is no such thing as “healthcare”. There is only a bundle of various goods and services individuals will want to consume at varying levels due to health concern. The ideal system of healthcare would be free market capitalism approach. A system that has no interference from government subsidies and regulations, but still has great standards and abundant reach for those who require it. In theory, this system would lower cost of goods and services. Similarly, to other good and services provided in cooperative markets where subsidization, government force, and monopoly control are less prevalent( i.e. computers, software, and automobiles).
Last Edit: 1y 10m ago by Henryk A. Kowalczyk. Reason: Correction asked by the challenge author

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1y 10m ago
Valid arguments were presented by both sides. The core of the difference of opinion reaches beyond health care. The major disagreement is in how much government intervention in economy and in major social affairs as healthcare we need. On one side, it is a conviction that the free market can better resolve our problems than even best crafted government regulations can. This is the position of Cameron L. Williams. The strongest opposing arguments are by Fred V. Carstensen, who brings historic argument that government licensing and other regulations arrive out of necessity to address problems not resolved by the free market.
I decide to resolve this challenge as true, agreeing with the challenger, Fred V. Cameron. The main reason for this decision is that opposite side did not present sufficient opposing arguments to the claim made by Fred V. Cameron, and supported by Ron F. White, as well as by Jazmin Cortes that the free market lowers the prices and improves quality, and thus gives more people access to affordable health care.
This challenge is about one of the major disagreements among Americans. It would be unreasonable to expect that we can have it resolved in one short debate. I encourage everyone seeing shortcomings of the arguments presented here, or disagreeing with my decision, to post a new challenge addressing the same problem. Sometimes rephrasing, or narrowing the subject, can help a challenge to win.
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10 W$ Invested 1y 10m ago
Is your approach to people that cannot afford free market health care simply to say that they should go die. Because I think that's the problem we are trying to solve. The Haves think the Havenots should just go die because it is the Havenots' own fault that the cannot afford. Under an obvious system of institutionalized oppression for many specific groups, the denial of healthcare to those groups further oppresses them and keeps them from growing out of there desparation.

It's practically calling for an uprising or revolution, becaue what is the reponse to people that receive the threat - "go die"? It's "go die yourself"/"kill the rich".

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2 W$ Invested 1y 10m ago
The real question is: "If we went to a free market system, would the price of health care decline precipitously, thus leaving only a few who can't afford it? Then could private charitable institutions afford to take up the slack?"

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2 W$ Invested 1y 10m ago
So you don't think that there should be any government regulations to protect people from malpractice? Let the courts decide after the fact on each case of harm? I think that would invite a lot of harm.

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1y 10m ago
Cameroon, thank you for opening this provoking challenge. Let us hear opinions for and against it.

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Challenge Total Investment
Agree:42 W$
Disagree:20 W$
Challenge resolved as TRUE